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Circular or iterative reasoning?

I think that many, if not most, mainstream Christians would say that experience alone cannot tell us anything about God. We need to filter our experience through the Bible for it to be reliable and “true.” So, the Bible is the authoritative word on how we experience God and what we know about God. But, at the same time, the Bible is what it is because of who and what God is. So, the Bible tells us about God but God’s nature gives the Bible the authority to inform us about the God whose nature gives the Bible … Isn’t that a bit of the-chicken-n-the-egg reasoning?

But what to do to break this circular cycle? I think we need to iterate.

There are many “problems” that people struggle with. God’s actions do not always make sense to us. We don’t understand what happens in the world because it doesn’t fit with our understanding of God. The Bible has difficult passages because it seems to say two, or three or four, different things. It seems that most mainstream Christians just hunker down and hope that when they get to Heaven God will explain all. They take refuge in the fact of God’s love and omniscience and leave it all up to him. But most of the time, that doesn’t seem to provide much real comfort.

And this is where iteration enters the picture. If something doesn’t make sense then perhaps what we need to do is change something—iterate toward a more consistent solution. The problem is that we get so stuck in our current mindsets that we don’t even consider revising our basic assumptions. Our concept of God should not be static. Our handling of the Bible should not be the same today as it was yesterday. But these are too often not even considered to be variable and so we sit and spin and get no where.

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Going beyond words

One of my daughter’s favorite movies is The Incredibles. Since I work at home and watch her most of the time, it’s very convenient that I, too, enjoy this movie because we watch it over and over and over. I’ve started paying attention to some of the dialog and there are some very good lines. One is when Helen Parr, aka Elastigirl, visits Edna to see the new supersuits she made. Helen is unaware of everything which precipitated Edna’s making the suits and so is totally lost as Edna starts talking about them. Edna then says:

Yes, words are useless! Gobble gobble gobble gobble gobble. Too much of it, darling. Too much. That is why I show you my work. That is why you are here.

Thomas Merton, talks about the same thing in Echoing Silence:

True communication on the deepest level is more than a simple sharing of ideas, of conceptual knowledge, or formulated truth. The kind of communication that is necessary on this deep level must also be “communion” beyond the level of words, a communion in authentic experience which is shared not only on a “preverbal” level but also on a “post-verbal” level.

The “preverbal” level is that of the unspoken and indefinable “preparation,” “the predisposition” of the mind and heart, necessary for all “monastic” experience whatever.

Now, perhaps I’m stretching the point, but I would consider some religious experiences — the Eucharist, for example — to be “monastic” experiences since these are reflective, contemplative, personal, yet shared and participatory. Merton continues (with emphasis added):

This demands among other things a “freedom from automatisms and routines,” and candid liberation from external social dictates, from conventions, limitations, and mechanisms which restrict understanding and inhibit experience of the new, the unexpected. The monk who is to communicate on the level that interests us here must be not merely a punctilious observer of external traditions, but a living example of traditional and interior realization. He must be wide open to life and to new experience because he has fully utilized his own tradition and gone beyond it. This will permit him to meet a [disciple] of another, apparently remote and alien tradition, and find a common ground of verbal understanding with him. The “post-verbal” level will then, at least ideally, be that on which they both meet beyond their own words and their own understanding in the silence of an ultimate experience which might conceivably not have occurred if they had not met and spoken. This I would call “communion.” I think it is something that the deepest ground of our being cries out for, and it is something for which a lifetime of striving would not be enough.

Language is limiting. Language is controlling. Edna was unable to describe to Helen the experience and wonder of making the supersuits because there was no common ground of understanding. Helen might as well have been talking a different language altogether. Her biases and assumptions did not allow her to understand. It didn’t fit into her mental model of the world. But that does not mean that Edna’s experiences were invalid or wrong or false. There was no language that could bridge the two world-views. But the experience itself could.

And this is exactly where the trouble lies in religions. Looking at the words, it may seem, for example, Islam and Christianity are mutually exclusive. And so we use these incompatible words as dividers between the two. We demand that they say the right words about their experiences of their God. That they describe their God with just the right adjectives — the same adjectives that we use to describe our God: “God cannot be God unless God is a Triune God, eternally existing in three persons …” Only then, is their experience of their God “correct.” Furthermore, if they don’t use the correct verbiage then they are heretics and eternally damned and sometimes worse.

But let’s take the very trite example of two people witnessing an event taking place in this physical world. You will get different stories, different explanations, different emphasis. In short, incompatible, mutually exclusive words. In fact, this very idea is often used to defend the Gospels. Just look at the resurrection story and see how many “different” accounts there are and how these “different” accounts for merged.

So, if we cannot agree on the words to describe an event in this physical world, how much less can we agree on the words to describe the ineffable, numinous experience of God?? And how can we hold others at fault for using their own words which make sense to them but not us? The key is to go beyond our own traditions and meet in non-verbal communion.

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Riddle me this, Batman

I came across something in the Gospels that I’ve never noticed before. There is apparent(?) disagreement between the stories of the Roman centurion who asked Jesus to heal his servant as told in Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10.

In Matthew, the centurion talks to Jesus directly and asks him to heal his servant. Jesus agrees to come to the centurion’s house but the centurion says that Jesus must only say the word and the servant will be healed.

In Luke, the centurion sends some Jewish elders to ask Jesus to come to the centurion’s house. Then, as Jesus approaches, the centurion sends some friends to tell Jesus that he must only say the word. Luke 7:7 explicitly states that the centurion did not talk to Jesus directly since the friends relay the following message to Jesus: “for this reason I did not even consider myself worthy to come to You …”

What’s up with that? How are these two accounts reconciled?

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Just a thought … on God as author

Getting back to an old post of mine, let’s assume:

  1. The Bible is exactly as God wanted it to be
  2. God is omniscient
  3. God had/has perfect foreknowledge

What does this mean?

I think it’s an obvious fact that there are many, many different interpretations of the Bible. Whether you think any particular interpretation is right or wrong does not change the fact that it exists and someone believes it. But God, in his perfect foreknowledge and omniscience must have known that each interpretation that exists would exist. God knew that we’d be confused. And yet the Bible is exactly as he wanted it to be. Now, I’m not talking about a few fringe ideas that go against an overwhelming consensus. If you’re reading, say, The Scarlett Letter in every high school (which still reads this book) I would guess that there would be a lot of agreement on meaning and interpretation with, perhaps, a few radical ideas. Not so with the Bible!

God may be just but he doesn’t seem quite fair. He gives us this book, knowing that some of us will interpret it differently and then (according to some) punishes us when we do. Kinda like the ol’ apple in the garden, heh? Isn’t that entrapment?

So, God must have had a purpose for the ambiguity, the confusion causing verbiage. Was it to test us? Was it to weed out some of us? What possible reason could there be? Furthermore, how can any of us even pretend to have the “right” answer? So many options, so many ideas, so many opinions and the one that appeals to me just happens to be the one and only correct interpretation?

But, hey … just a thought.

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Ok, ok, we get it already! Let’s move on.

Kim Fabricius wrote a post on “The Real Sin of Sodom” and as you would expect got a lot of “feedback.” Kim’s stance is that Sodom was not destroyed because of homosexuality. In a quick read of the comments, “dh” is the most vocal and repetitive and holds the stance that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality plus a bunch of other stuff.

To quote Shakespeare, “The [commenter] doth protest too much, methinks.” But that’s neither here nor there.

What I do want to say is, “Ok, ok, we get it already! God does/doesn’t hate homosexuals and Jesus does/doesn’t hate homosexuals and Paul, Peter, Jude did/didn’t condemn all homosexual behavior and all homosexuals are/aren’t going to hell. We get it. Let’s move on to something else now.” Why is everyone condemning/defending homosexuality when it’s been done to death? Let’s agree to disagree and let the sign-in book at the pearly gates decide who the winner is. Besides, there are so many more un-maligned groups just waiting to be pounced upon. (Hopefully poor grammarians are not among them.) Let’s look at the verses touted as anti-homosexual to see who we should be condemning/defending next.

I Corinthians 6 says “… neither effeminate, nor homosexuals … will inherit the kingdom of God.” But there are a bunch of people in the ellipses that need to be straightened out. The fornicators and adulterers, for example. These two groups are actually mentioned before the homosexuals and the hermeneutic I’m using says that order is important. So let’s persecute these guys for a while now. Everyone put your “Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve” signs and posters and bumper stickers and banners and whatever into your PODS unit for a while and make up new ones that say “Abstinence is good for the soul” and “If you can’t keep it in your pants get married.” Then loiter outside singles clubs and raves where you know all kinds of unseemly acts of coitus are about to taking place. While you’re at it, start making up signs that say: “Stay married even if he beats you” because you know the divorce rate will go up because all these “kids” are getting married just to get some. We also have any Christian who goes to court. These bastards are mentioned even before the fornicators so you know it’s important.

Then, of course, there’s Leviticus 20:13: “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.” But we’re not doing that anymore. Let’s look around at some of the other verses from chapters 11, 12, 19, and 20. We should, instead, be persecuting anyone without a beard, anyone who eats rabbit or pork or lobster or mussels or crabs, anyone not circumcised, anyone picking up grapes that have fallen onto the ground in a vineyard, anyone wearing cotton blends, anyone having intercourse with a women while she is menstruating, and anyone harming a foreigner. That’s quite the list so we’ve got some sign-making to do. I’ll hang out by the barbershops and you take the restaurants and together we’ll whip this country back into shape.

But, if you really, really want to keep harping on the homosexuals, I’ve found a real easy way to pick them out in a crowd. Romans 1:38-32 says:

And just as they (i.e. the homosexuals, both men and women) did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

So, you see, all homosexuals (at least the ones Paul says are going straight to hell) are greedy, murdering, deceitful, malicious, slandering, parental disobeying, untrustworthy, unloving, sons of bitches who heartily approve of everyone who murders, deceives, slanders, disobeys, etc.. They shouldn’t be too hard to spot!

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“The Bible is exactly as God wanted it to be” ???

I just read an interesting post over at the Confessing Evangelical about the Bible being “exactly as God wanted it to be.” I’m not sure what it all means. My first impression is that it’s all semantics — don’t call errors errors but use another, more euphemistic term. But I also feel that there’s more to it than I’m appreciating at the moment. I hope to be able to comment on it after it’s stewed on my back burner for a while.

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Just a thought … on selective irrelevance

Different aspects of Christianity are handled differently. Some are considered “well defined” by the Bible. Some are “assumed true” even though we cannot fully comprehend them. Some are “tolerated” as paradoxical since both the one and the other hands are found in the Scriptures. And some are left as “things not to be asked” or “ill-posed” questions.

Topics such as the Trinity, Baptism, the existence of Evil are debated between Christian and non-Christian but also between Christian and “Christian”. Some Christians even go so far as to claim that certain beliefs about these topics are “wrong enough” as to bring the holder’s status as a “true Christian” into question. But everyone points to Scripture as the basis of their belief so it really comes down to interpretation.

I’ve read elsewhere and been taught that it is hermeneutically correct (and, indeed, necessary) to not base any doctrine or theological stance on certain Scriptures that put forth an idea which is opposed, and more voluminously so, elsewhere. So, there are “orphaned” verses, so to speak, that are not part of any doctrine, dogma, theology, etc. Well, at least “mainstream” doctrine, dogma, theology — however that is defined.

If these verses are to be ignored and treated as irrelevant to any disucssion then why are they part of the Scriptures? Remember that we are talking about the inerrant, inspired Word of God. Are they artifacts of a dead-end plot point? Are they remnants of God’s first draft of theology — a first draft that didn’t quite “work”? Or, are they glimpses of alternate “theologies” which are valid but other than the “popular” ones touted by our theologeans.

Might these alternate theologies mesh better with world views other than our own, Western Christian view? And if they do, might that not lend some credence to them? And if that be the case, can we really dismiss then as “wrong”?

Just a thought …

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Just a thought … on literal symbolism

Just a thought …

What would you say to someone who insisted that Moby Dick was really about a literal ship captain and a literal white whale? Or to someone who insisted that The Scarlet Letter was really about a literal woman and a literal affair she had with a literal pastor? Or to someone who insisted that The Bible was about a literal …

Like I said … just a thought

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